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two door, two trekking pole ultralight hiking tents

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  • I don't sell any of these nor do I receive any remuneration if you buy them, and I have not personally reviewed all of them, they are listed here to give you perspective
  • these require trekking pole(s) often with adjustments from 110 to 135cm!
    • some trekking poles only extend to 125cm
    • the medium-large poles generally extend 110-140cm but often have larger grips than the small-medium poles which only extend to 125cm
  • when used with a fly these have poor cross ventilation as they do not have a rear door or a window so not good for warm weather!
    • you may be able to remove the fly on some designs but then this will not help if it is hot humid and raining

Introduction

  • hiking tents without poles which are designed to use both of your trekking poles are very popular for ultralight long trail backpackers as well as ultralight overnight campers as they weigh a lot less than tents with poles HOWEVER they can have significant issues and do require practice setting up.
  • for long trail hikes, it is strongly recommended you go for the more expensive Dyneema Cuben Fibre fabric models as these are much stronger, much more waterproof and lighter than nylon fabrics
  • for less demanding circumstances, a dual wall nylon tent may suffice
  • in low humidity hikes a lighter single wall version may be an option but these do risk you getting wet from condensation
  • most hikers prefer a more spacious 2P (two person) option rather than a narrow 1P tent
  • there are also single pole trekking pole tents where your trekking pole inserts as a centre pole much like a tiny teepee tent but these have less usable space inside
  • these can be very hard to set up in strong winds, especially if you have not practiced setting it up optimally!
  • in strong winds you need to bring a few extras to help mitigate failures
    • extra pegs are critical for these tents as they do require a LOT of tension to keep them standing in the wind and the main failure point is inadequate pegging - you may need two pegs for each guy out placed at an angle to each other
    • if there are plastic clips such as on the doors of some of the tents - replace these with metal ones and bring small carabiners - plastic has a habit of breaking in strong wind
    • strongly consider bringing a bivy just in case it all fails and you need to keep dry
    • have a microfibre towel to dry out the inside of the tent if it gets wet whilst setting up or during the rain from a failure of waterproofing which is most likely to occur from either a puncture in the material or from wind stresses on the sewn tie outs which connect the inner to the fly
  • these require pegging for stability - in alpine areas, there may not be ground suitable for pegs and you may need to use large rocks or tie to trees
    • the Z packs Duplex tent has an optional freestanding pole set which helps address this issue but adds weight and cost
  • all of these tents are very similar design, are NOT freestanding, and all require practice to pitch them
    • in general (apart from the Durston tents), peg out the 4 corners of the inner tent first (however, if using the optional ground sheet, you may prefer to peg out the 4 corners of the ground sheet first then carabiner the corners of the inner to the corners of the ground sheet - this allows setting up the fly first and packing up the fly last so your inner tent does not get wet)
  • amongst these tents, the BEST value for money storm proof tent and easiest to pitch are the polyester Durston X-Mid tents - and for alpine use - go for the “solid” ones

Expensive Dyneema Cuben Fibre (DCF) options

  • if ultra-lightweight, durability and safety are the major factors - then these are the tents to buy - but they cost 3-4x as much as a nylon version
  • DCF is lighter (half the weight of silnylon), much stronger, much more waterproof, doesn't stretch when wet as does nylon, less slippery, and more UV resistant, BUT is translucent and can still be damaged by abrasion or punctures!

2P DCF trekking pole tents

    • perhaps the most popular tent for long through-hikes in America
    • A-frame style tent; 1.0 oz/sqyd 20,000mm Dyneema® Composite Fabric floor (1.14m x 2.3m which is more than twice as thick as the fly) and .55 oz/sqyd DCF 15,000mm fly; inner mesh;
    • sets up with 2 trekking poles set to 122cm;
    • 2 entrances / 4 storm doors; NO ZIPS on fly doors - for better durability in dusty conditions
    • 609g (539g excl. the 8 stakes you need to buy separately and which will weigh about 70g)
    • packs to 18 x 33cm
    • $US699
    • opt. 323g Duplex Freestanding Flex Kit extra $US149
    • as above but fly doors have zips
    • $US699 647g (577g + 70g stakes);

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Z packs Duplex tent

Z packs Duplex tent with optional Duplex Freestanding Flex Kit - add your trekking poles in severe weather for extra stability

    • 578g, Dyneema cuben fibre fly; dual trekking pole tent;
    • floor is 15D Sil/PEU nylon so you will need a protective ground sheet; - a DCF floor version is coming in Mar 2024;
    • floor space inside fly = 100“x83” = 58 sq ft = 2.3×1.17×1.17m = 2.7sqm; fly has zipper;
    • too small for 2 people unless you top and tail; best as a 1 person tent;
    • a popular tent for long hikes with lots of gear such as fishing trips where there is plenty of larger tent pitch sites given the extra floor space vs the Zpacks Duplex
    • $US679 / $AU1008 for nylon floor version; ($AU1162 for DCF floor)
    • 2024 model, as above but 6“ wider to accommodate two wide (25” / 64 cm) sleeping pads and provides taller headroom (1.24m peak) and steeper sides to allow taller campers up to 6'6“ tall
    • reduced the rotation of the diagonal ridgeline to create more even headroom on both sides to optimize the tent for two people sleeping in the same direction
    • substantially more head clearance than A-frame tents of similar size
    • 2.3×1.32×1.24m inner with area 3.0sqm 630g; 2x1sqm vestibules; packs to 27 x 13 cm (opt. 15D silnylon floor instead of DCF which is $AU150 cheaper)
    • $AU1223

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Durston X-mid 2P Pro DCF

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Hyperlight Mountain Gear Unbound 2P Tent

DCF inner tents that require a tarp cover
  • Hyperlite Mountain Gear Echo 2 Insert
    • Dyneema cuben fibre DCF8 sides, DCF11 floor, No-See-Um Mesh; dual trekking pole tent which can be matched to their Echo Dyneema tarp and then converts the tarp into a fully-enclosed zipped and floored tent system.
    • 414g but need tarp; 213x132x104cm high (rear is only 114cm wide); packs to 19.05 x 16.50 x 12.7cm;

Siliconised nylon options

2P silnylon trekking pole tents

10D silnylon dual wall tents

  • 10D nylon is no where near as strong as 15D or 20D nylon or a Dyneema / cuben fibre tent
    • 667g 10D 1800mm waterhead PU ripstop silnylon dual entry;
    • condensation can be an issue - ensure it is well ventilated as it has no vents.
    • bathtub floor at only 1800mm water rating will let water seep through so don't camp on areas which will pool water in rain
    • reviewers seem to be happy with it
    • best for warm dry weather conditions with low humidity without strong winds
    • minimal vestibule and no rain protection of inner mesh door when fly is open - could be an issue in hot, humid wet weather - maybe bring an extra tarp and poles - but then that defeats the weight savings of this tent
    • $US320

15D silnylon dual wall tents

  • ASTA GEAR Yun Chuan
    • asymmetric Durston X-mid like tents in 1P and 2P versions
    • 5000mm 15D double sil ripstop nylon with 5000mm 20D nylon inner floor you need to seam seal with silicone adhesive glue!
    • 1P version:
      • 540g 2.49×1.62×1.35m outer with 440g 2.28×0.81×1.25m inner mesh tent; total 1.1kg; $AU234 for mesh inner version $AU264 for fabric inner version
    • 2P version
      • 570g 2.54×2.1×1.35m outer with 540g 2.33×1.32×1.25m inner mesh tent total 1.25kg; packs to 40x8x8cm $AU266 for mesh inner version $AU299 for fabric inner version
    • https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006138226555.html can purchase separate inners and outers
    • 1060-1155g;
    • 15D 5000mm PU single-sided coated silicon nylon with tear strength of 12-15N
    • 11cm high 20D 6000mm PU nylon floor;
    • dual entries with 70cm vestibules;
    • catenary cut fly for ventilation underneath
    • YKK zippers
    • 220*110*125cm packs to 34cm*15cm
    • the seams are tape seam sealed for additional waterproofing (as no silicon coating to inner layer as with the Pro version which prevents tape seam sealing in the Pro model)
    • available in “3 season” full 20D nylon mesh inner and “4 season” 20D nylon fabric inner for colder weather as it reduces wind chill and costs ~$15 more and weighs 20-30g more - you can buy these separately
    • unlike the Pro, it is a dual skin tent with fly separate to the inner and the fly can be used by itself and the inner can be used by itself
    • adjust your trekking poles to between 115cm-125cm (designed for 120cm height but you could drop these down to 110cm for lower profile in strong winds but then you need to manage a slack inner tent)
  • the Lanshan 2 needs some minor mods to work well
    • the two tie outs in the middle of the panels MUST have additional waterproofing applied (eg. wax, sealant)
    • replace the plastic door clips with metal ones or carabiners as they will break in strong winds
    • additional pegs to ensure it remains guyed out and the fabric is well tensioned to reduce wind resistance
    • consider longer 3m guy ropes for the two main guy lines from the tops of your trekking pole to give more stability in strong winds
    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuY8BBH0f3Y - fails in strong winds as door clips break (bring carabiners or replace with metal clips!), peg webbing broke, hiking poles got bent; fly leaked rain water into inner tent as she didn't follow instruction to apply additional sealant to the tie out points; very difficult to set up in strong winds; poles can fall down in strong gusts;
    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FewWBUnrueQ - how to improve this tent - 11 more mods

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comparison of “3 season” full 20D nylon mesh inner and “4 season” 20D nylon fabric inner for colder weather

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2P and 1P versions

20D dual wall silnylon tents

20D single wall silnylon tents

  • single wall tents have the fly connected with the inner tent and as such have a major problem with getting you wet due to condensation
  • perhaps only use in low humidity camps and ensure it is well ventilated
    • 940g; 20D double-sided coated silicon nylon - inner wall and fly are connected together; 20D floor;
    • the seams are not “seam-sealed”, you need to seal them yourself for waterproofing
    • 20D Pro fabric is “3 times more robust and tear-resistant than the 15D classic version” but the Pro is single skin vs double skin for the classic
    • available in “3 season” full 20D nylon mesh inner and “4 season” 20D nylon fabric inner for colder weather as it reduces wind chill
    • inner tent layer and rainfly are connected together so essentially single skin and thus lighter weight and smaller size than the Classic but can have a greater condensation issues
    • $US157

Siliconised polyester tents

  • “can pack the wet fly with groundsheet attached in a separate bag from the dry inner tent, life in the rain became easier and much more enjoyable. One can pitch the fly in a downpour, crawl under it and cook dinner (disclaimer here) while waiting for the surface water to sub into the ground, then pitch the dry inner tent and enjoy a wonderfully comfortable, warm, and dry night in the pouring rain… if all was packed properly. Packing the two pieces of the tent separately also lets you pack up early on dewy mornings without soaking the inner tent. If it does get wet, both pieces dry out incredibly quickly under sunny skies or in a light breeze”
    • pitch the fly 1st ensuring each corner is pegged out at 45deg angle and the fly is laid out as a rectangle and is not loose - adjust the tensioners
    • THEN insert each trekking pole upside down with tip inserted into grommet and pole extended so the fabric is tight
      • if sides of the fly are not tight at the bottom, the poles have been extended to high, lower them and re-tension the corners to increase the side tension
    • add a stake at each door of the fly
    • then attach the inner - clip to 4 corners at the two peaks then clip to the 4 corners of the fly
    • if tent is dry when packing up, best to leave inner attached for easier set up next time, but if fly is wet, its better to pack the inner separately to the fly
    • for storm pitch:
      • BEFORE going camping:
        • if the model has shock cords on the doors for pegging, replace these with static cords
        • take the appropriate type of stakes for the ground conditions to ensure they will be secure
      • BEFORE pitching, set the fly cords to shorter lengths which will mean the trekking poles will not be as extended to get a tight pitch and the tent is a lower profile
      • critical that the pitch is good with ridge line, crosslines and bottom edges of the fly all tight - if they are not, then adjust corner tensions to correct - see the video
      • bottom edges of fly should be close to the ground to avoid heavy rain splashing mud onto the inner
      • then add the peak guy lines in line with the ridge line as far out as possible
      • add guy lines to the side panel tie outs and line the guy line at an angle which gives the same angle as the tie out point to the peak behind it
      • add more stakes to the sides of the tent
      • tip: if you have trouble connecting the inner to the D rings on each corner, add a carabiner
  • how to do a 'skinny pitch' that makes it easier to fit into sites where the site is small and/or you need the floor in an exact spot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHdK4LXGuRQ
  • Durston X-Mid 2
    • 20D Silpoly 3500mm WH
    • assymetric design with floor being a parallelogram rather than rectangular
    • unlike most of the above tents, it can be erected just with 4 pegs and 2 inverted trekking poles and only needing guy lines for windy weather
    • this makes it much easier to set up than most of the above tents
    • this model is rated “storm-proof”
    • YKK zippers; vestibules 1.1 sq m x 2; fly footprint 210 x 254 cm
    • 2.34×1.32m floor with 3.1sqm area and 122cm height
    • packs to 30x15cm; weight excl. footprint 1085g
    • optional X-Mid Stargazer Kit allows inner tent set up only
    • opional Z-Flick Tent Pole if you don't have 2 hike poles
      • full fabric version but has upper 2/3rds of each door as mesh
      • also gains buckles at the base of the fly zippers, premium low-stretch guylines, and additional reinforcement at some optional stake points around the base.

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Durston X-Mid 2

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Durston X-mid 2 solid inner tent

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